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seante 4/8

Post by jayjay » 2012-04-01

maybe it's just me, but having senate meet on easter sunday seems like a bad idea.
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by fingers630 » 2012-04-01

SP-2012A-3A No More Bars (Kobalos)



Doing my duty to remind people to show up and vote against this. Maces are unwieldy and clubs are dumb. Please leave bars alone.

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Re: seante 4/8

Post by Prince Andrick » 2012-04-01

Should there be any issue with quroum, it will be rescheduled. If not, I dont see why this should be any different. Many Darkonians do not celebrate Easter, including myself. I don't consider other religions holidays when making the senate schedule, so why should I consider Christian et al?
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by GAWARR1 » 2012-04-01

If we can fight on Easter Senate should be able to convene. My mother in law was a Catholic nun for 13 yrs. and she agrees.
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by Xynn of Ched Nasad » 2012-04-01

I dont care about Easter, as long as this is voted against....
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by TitusV » 2012-04-01

I will be there!!

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Post by Amazing_Iltztafein » 2012-04-01

Vote for Warbands! Down with countries!

Vote to keep bars! No reason not to!
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Post by Taggart MacBannion » 2012-04-02

Vote for what that dapper chap just said
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by Inox » 2012-04-02

Amazing_Iltztafein wrote:Vote for Warbands! Down with countries!

Vote to keep bars! No reason not to!


They're a dumb concept only designed to give Clerics flat-bladed weapons?
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by jayjay » 2012-04-02

-Inox- wrote:
Amazing_Iltztafein wrote:Vote for Warbands! Down with countries!

Vote to keep bars! No reason not to!


They're a dumb concept


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Re: seante 4/8

Post by fingers630 » 2012-04-02

-Inox- wrote:
Amazing_Iltztafein wrote:Vote for Warbands! Down with countries!

Vote to keep bars! No reason not to!


They're a dumb concept only designed to give Clerics flat-bladed weapons?



pretty much. OR go with Malkin's idea of making 1 handed weapons white, chained weapons yellow, and allow clerics to use non stabbing swords as weapon restrictions based off of D&D, like everything else based off of D&D according to you, is outdated and dumb.
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by Xynn of Ched Nasad » 2012-04-02

Amazing_Iltztafein wrote:Vote for Warbands! Down with countries! (cause mine failed)

Vote to keep bars! No reason not to! And bacause Inox is against them!


Sorry, I had to fix it to show the truth!

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Re: seante 4/8

Post by Inox » 2012-04-02

fingers630 wrote:pretty much. OR go with Malkin's idea of making 1 handed weapons white, chained weapons yellow, and allow clerics to use non stabbing swords as weapon restrictions based off of D&D, like everything else based off of D&D according to you, is outdated and dumb.


Clerical power is pretty significant already. Giving them limb kills seems like it could be unbalancing.

Now, we could drop them to Chain/36" shields, and make their weapons:

1.) No missiles
2.) No Black
3.) 4' or less

...and we might have something. Oh, and drop Word of Holding & Curse.
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by Amazing_Iltztafein » 2012-04-02

Xynn of Ched Nasad wrote:
Amazing_Iltztafein wrote:Vote for Warbands! Down with countries! (cause mine failed)

Vote to keep bars! No reason not to! And bacause Inox is against them!


Sorry, I had to fix it to show the truth!
I'm an anonymous * that talks * online!

Sorry, had to fix it.
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by Ogre Solaris » 2012-04-02

-Inox- wrote:
Amazing_Iltztafein wrote:Vote for Warbands! Down with countries!

Vote to keep bars! No reason not to!


They're a dumb concept only designed to give Clerics flat-bladed weapons?


Is that really why they exist? Does anyone really know why they were introduced? Is this conjecture or is that really the only reason?

I would not vote against this as long as clerics are given a weapon that is clearly non-wood based so as to not make all of our weapons destroyable by warp wood (more likely amend the weapon descriptions to specify which are wooden and which are metal) OR if we tack on something to specify exactly what is destroyed by WW and leave one or two cleric weapons off that list, then I'm fine with it. No class should be made to be completely defenseless against a spell that is meant to hinder spearmen and shield walls. Even swords and daggers have wooden parts (handle) but we assume without it being written anywhere that they are unaffected.

I don't think we should remove quillions from swords, but that's another discussion altogether (but where removal of bars will lead us).
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by Amazing_Iltztafein » 2012-04-02

Ogre Solaris wrote:
-Inox- wrote:
Amazing_Iltztafein wrote:Vote for Warbands! Down with countries!

Vote to keep bars! No reason not to!


They're a dumb concept only designed to give Clerics flat-bladed weapons?


Is that really why they exist? Does anyone really know why they were introduced? Is this conjecture or is that really the only reason?

I would not vote against this as long as clerics are given a weapon that is clearly non-wood based

Like a flail or a morning star?

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Post by Ogre Solaris » 2012-04-02

The handle of those weapons are definitely going to be wooden, making them unusable when that part is gone. Likewise, maces, hammers, and clubs (duh on clubs) all could and often would have wooden handles to save metal and weight.

My point is it's ambiguous. We could say all maces are metal, but we need to actually put that in writing. I would like to see warp wood effect a specific set of weapons + shields and whatever else it breaks now to keep us out of grey area arguments.
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by Thrush Svartehjertet » 2012-04-02

Amazing_Iltztafein wrote:
Xynn of Ched Nasad wrote:
Amazing_Iltztafein wrote:Vote for Warbands! Down with countries! (cause mine failed)

Vote to keep bars! No reason not to! And bacause Inox is against them!


Sorry, I had to fix it to show the truth!
I'm an anonymous * that talks * online!

Sorry, had to fix it.


For real, I like how people no one's heard of chime on stuff like this...

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Re: seante 4/8

Post by fingers630 » 2012-04-02

-Inox- wrote:
fingers630 wrote:pretty much. OR go with Malkin's idea of making 1 handed weapons white, chained weapons yellow, and allow clerics to use non stabbing swords as weapon restrictions based off of D&D, like everything else based off of D&D according to you, is outdated and dumb.


Clerical power is pretty significant already. Giving them limb kills seems like it could be unbalancing.

Now, we could drop them to Chain/36" shields, and make their weapons:

1.) No missiles
2.) No Black
3.) 4' or less

...and we might have something. Oh, and drop Word of Holding & Curse.



Id have no issue with that really. Id even allow grandfathered plate to count as chain since we shouldnt be metagaming other people's hits anyway and plate looks pretty cool. Wear a red armband, count your own hits, done.

Personally i dont feel WoH and Curse need to be removed. WoH has already been nerfed to make it situationally useful and Curse is only adventure. maybe change curse to destroys all armor instead of incapacitating someone. Still powerful, but gives you a fighting chance.
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by Ogre Solaris » 2012-04-02

I hope I didn't just spend 300 dollars for new plate for nothing. I haven't even gotten to use it yet :(
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by Inox » 2012-04-02

Ogre Solaris wrote:
-Inox- wrote:
Amazing_Iltztafein wrote:Vote for Warbands! Down with countries!

Vote to keep bars! No reason not to!


They're a dumb concept only designed to give Clerics flat-bladed weapons?


Is that really why they exist? Does anyone really know why they were introduced? Is this conjecture or is that really the only reason?


Yes, it is. I was there.
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by Sir Caetrel » 2012-04-02

Altering the armor type allowed for a class is bad. Grandfathering is bad in general, and counting armor as something different as it appears to be is also bad. If there is a desire to balance clerics I would rather see it done in the area of spells. Clerics in plate are a loooong time tradition in this game, my original cleric plate, now worn by Eizenhorn, is older than 2 Knights of the Realm. My current plate is old enough to start earning credits next year when it turns 16. Taking plate away because of bars is insane. It's not just the hits, it is the persona built by many of us...Clerics like myself, Faleris, Andrick..are battle priests and templars. Even Keira has a shiny suit of plate for wars. This would be a giant fundamental change. Not for it in any way.

If clerics are OP, go after the spells or the way spells are used. And I don't see the point in giving us use of edges weapons. That would be way OP, and I do not see any clerics asking for that priviledge anyway.
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by fingers630 » 2012-04-02

Sir Caetrel wrote:Altering the armor type allowed for a class is bad. Grandfathering is bad in general, and counting armor as something different as it appears to be is also bad.


Why? The game promotes NON metagaming. I dont count someones plate hits when I swing at them, I swing till they fall down and they count their own hits. If they were wearing plate but taking AR 2, they would just count AR2 hits in their head.

Taking plate away because of bars is insane. It's not just the hits, it is the persona built by many of us...Clerics like myself, Faleris, Andrick..are battle priests and templars.


I think Andrick wears Chain and uses a small shield.


If clerics are OP, go after the spells or the way spells are used. And I don't see the point in giving us use of edges weapons. That would be way OP, and I do not see any clerics asking for that priviledge anyway.


Ive heard of a couple people asking for it actually. I dont want to put words in his mouth, but I would think Lord Halcon would be the first to support a sword for his cleric as he disdains flail use, and uses a bar as his preferred fighting style.

Just throwing that out there.
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Re: seante 4/8

Post by Wulfen Freki » 2012-04-02

Thrush Svartehjertet wrote:For real, I like how people no one's heard of chime on stuff like this...

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Re: seante 4/8

Post by fingers630 » 2012-04-02

If he aint as sexy as Lanham or Caedes, I dont know him!
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