Expanding the Land Map

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Expanding the Land Map

Post by Sir Aethilgar » 2012-10-05

1. Policy Proposal Name: Expanding the Land Map
2. Proposal Originator:
a. name: Sir Aethilgar (based on forum discussion: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=504 )
b. email: aethilgar@gmail.com
3. Proposal Version: 1.0
4. Date: 10/05/2012
5. Proposal type: Modification of Land Rules
6. Policy term: Permanent
7. Policy statement:
This proposal is to increase the size of the Darkon land map significantly through the addition of additional continents, gates to other worlds, and openings to a cavern system.

8. Rationale:
Due to the successful growth of Darkon and the expansion of various counties' territory since its founding;
the Land Map of Darkon no longer meets the needs of the organization under its current size. New (and returning) countries are finding it increasingly more difficult to ‘home’ their countries on the map. Additionally, there is little room for expansion without open (potentially membership damaging) wars between countries. An expansion of the map would relieve both conditions.
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Lord Cailen Sendor » 2012-10-05

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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Snudge » 2012-10-05

Putting a 3rd continent, or series of islands/continents north of our current land masses is entirely possible and not alot of work.
Going south though, that requires ALOT more work, please let's not.
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Sir Aethilgar » 2012-10-07

If an expansion is approved; I would like to leave the new map's design up to the Land Marshal with approval by the Senate.
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by President » 2012-10-09

Snudge wrote:Putting a 3rd continent, or series of islands/continents north of our current land masses is entirely possible and not alot of work.
Going south though, that requires ALOT more work, please let's not.


Is that because of the numbering system??

Perhaps it would behoove us to make the South Pole and everything below a certain point snowy...the Great White South.

Then expand North and East....adding a continent to the North that is tropical and a continent to the East that is similar to ours. Be sure to give the continents realistic land mass to avoid the silliness we have now.

Luckily the countries formed in the Icy North are gone so it wont interfere with country histories.

Also, put some distance between us and the new land masses. Make it take some time to travel by boat to those land masses...and maybe even add some NPC nations that have to be defeated by the invaders.

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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Ogre Solaris » 2012-10-09

President wrote:Also, put some distance between us and the new land masses. Make it take some time to travel by boat to those land masses...and maybe even add some NPC nations that have to be defeated by the invaders.


NPC nations could be a cool addition, maybe even something for the next world plot to handle(if anyone even figures out and ends the current one).
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Sir Aethilgar » 2012-10-09

President wrote:....adding a continent to the North that is tropical and a continent to the East that is similar to ours. Be sure to give the continents realistic land mass to avoid the silliness we have now.

Luckily the countries formed in the Icy North are gone so it wont interfere with country histories.

Also, put some distance between us and the new land masses. Make it take some time to travel by boat to those land masses...and maybe even add some NPC nations that have to be defeated by the invaders.


Adding a tropical landmass on the north side of the map implies that it would be near our globe's equator... leaving room for significant expansion beyond it and further to the north. If we assume that current Darkon is a southern hemisphere landmass, adding a tropic zone to the north and then a northern hemisphere landmass would meet our expansion goals without disturbing 'Icy North' country histories. You never know when one of them might return, after all.
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Amazing_Iltztafein » 2012-10-09

President wrote:
Snudge wrote:Putting a 3rd continent, or series of islands/continents north of our current land masses is entirely possible and not alot of work.
Going south though, that requires ALOT more work, please let's not.


Is that because of the numbering system??

Perhaps it would behoove us to make the South Pole and everything below a certain point snowy...the Great White South.

Then expand North and East....adding a continent to the North that is tropical and a continent to the East that is similar to ours. Be sure to give the continents realistic land mass to avoid the silliness we have now.

Luckily the countries formed in the Icy North are gone so it wont interfere with country histories.

Also, put some distance between us and the new land masses. Make it take some time to travel by boat to those land masses...and maybe even add some NPC nations that have to be defeated by the invaders.

Chendrolyn still exists even though it is part of another nation, and they have claimed parts of their lands to be frozen. And whether or not such nations are gone, you do ruin Darkon history by doing such.

As Aethilgar said, you never know when they may return. After all, Chendrolyn returned.

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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by jayjay » 2012-10-09

why does there even have to be poles ala earth? darkon is a fantasy based game. there can be random spots of cold at the equator or hot spots at the poles. maybe chendrolyn is stuck under some curse that keeps them perpetual stuck in winter. do what ever is practical with the map and find the rp bs later.
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by President » 2012-10-09

jayjay wrote:why does there even have to be poles ala earth? darkon is a fantasy based game. there can be random spots of cold at the equator or hot spots at the poles. maybe chendrolyn is stuck under some curse that keeps them perpetual stuck in winter. do what ever is practical with the map and find the rp bs later.



There doesn't....but don't throw out the RP. It is one of the foundations on which Darkon is built.

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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Sir Caetrel » 2012-10-09

The North is cold and icy, there can be no dispute! What is this talk of poles and equators? Everyone knows Darkon is flat.

I don't know that JJ is throwing out the RP, on the contrary adding to it by suggesting we have the option to ignore things like physics.

Personally I always envosioned the North to be frozen wastes (Valdimar) and the south to be near tropical, Aqualonia and surrounding areas being like the 16th and 17th century pirate Carribean.

Maybe the known map is all in the north, and just a small area like the British Isles and northen coast of France?

This topic has alot of room for debate.
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by President » 2012-10-09

Go back and read what Snudge said that prompted my idea. Going south would be WAY TOO MUCH WORK!! So the question is, what directions can we go without creating a massive amount of work.

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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Sir Caetrel » 2012-10-09

President wrote:Go back and read what Snudge said that prompted my idea. Going south would be WAY TOO MUCH WORK!! So the question is, what directions can we go without creating a massive amount of work.


Would an underdark be too much? :twisted:
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by President » 2012-10-09

Didn't we blow that up?? :)

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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Snudge » 2012-10-09

Yes due to the numbering system expansion south and west are problematic without a huge amount of work. IE. renumbering every hex in the game. There are currently 1514 discovered hexes in the game.
And the southwest most hex is an ocean hex labeled 01/ A
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Amazing_Iltztafein » 2012-10-09

Couldn't we just use negative numbers, just like we do on Earth?
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by President » 2012-10-09

Amazing_Iltztafein wrote:Couldn't we just use negative numbers, just like we do on Earth?



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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Sir Aethilgar » 2012-10-09

Generally; I'm seeing discussions on how to create an expansion to the map and not so much 'for' or 'against' an expansion.

As such; can we request our Land Marshal to draw a new map that would work with the current numbering system? In other words, that would be the least about of work and disruption to create the largest amount of expansion? Once drawn; said map could be presented to the Senate for a vote, no?
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by President » 2012-10-09

That's how its been done in the past. With the current map situation you won't get anyone really against expanding.

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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Pope Faleris I » 2012-10-09

I think to make it fairer for all countries, you'd have to add land in all directions, regardless of the epic task. Not that im vounterring, im just saying. countries in certain locations would have advantages, if we only expand north, it would be like christmas in NK and Ched, as the current map denotes we would land first with opportunity to expand. Just an example

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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Sir Orlffson » 2012-10-09

Chendrolyn is frozen because, one its in the north and two, the rule book says maelstrom is from the "frozen wastes, north of Valdimar", and that land is Chendrolyn...
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by President » 2012-10-09

Sir Orlffson wrote:Chendrolyn is frozen because, one its in the north and two, the rule book says maelstrom is from the "frozen wastes, north of Valdimar", and that land is Chendrolyn...



Yet according to Valdimar, nothing but Giants exist above them. So who is wrong?

Or is the world we are on CRAZY!!! :P

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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Sir Aethilgar » 2012-10-09

One country history ends where another begins.

Whoever is on the map to the farthest northern reaches is, in fact, farthest north. :P
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Lord Cailen Sendor » 2012-10-10

We stopped going north after we ran out of giants to kill :) it was cold after all and it was near dinner
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Re: Expanding the Land Map

Post by Snudge » 2012-10-10

The simplest way to make it fair is to do a small world plot of exploration. There are rumors of land rising in the northern occeans. One date X, release the new map and anyone that wants to can engage in exploration. That way it gives everyone time to get boats into position, and is unfair to none

The problem with adding negative numbers is that I'll still have to remove the entire left side of the map, I'm already going to have to remove the entire top section. I'd prefer to avoid having to do it on the left as well. One direction for expansion at a time is much easier for me to manage. The other problem that arises is the map layout during printing. it is currently 3 pages by 3 pages. Assuming everyone wants this to happen it will be four pages tall by three pages wide. Making it a 4x4 map would literally be a project that takes an entire term, where as just adding 1 more page worth of hexes to the top of the current map would only take a few months.
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